I was asked by Bill Johnson of Forum One Networks to kick off the discussion on the next Online Community Research Network call this week with the topic Identity for Online Community Managers – drawing on the presentation that I put together for the Community 2.0 Summit. I cover the basics of how OpenID, OAuth and Information Cards work, who is “in” terms of supporting the projects and what community managers/platforms can do. We will discuss the implications of these new identity and data sharing protocols on the call.
So I am working hard to pull the details together for the 2nd Data Sharing Summit. This is not an easy task given it is a risk to make commitments to venues and vendors – to make it possible to host the event.
This is an option that would give more time to organize and dove tail nicely with related work in the identity community
OPTION 4 – have it begin Wednesday and continue Thursday May 14-15 immediately following the Internet Identity Workshop
There is also the possibility of having something near Web 2.0 Expo the weekend before seems to make more sense to people are not completely wiped out from a weekend of partying and conferencing.
One of the reasons for this is that I know people come from out of town to attend Web 2.0 expo and some for several weeks so that there will be people in town who would not otherwise come ‘just for this event’.
We currently have 2 venue/time/space options
1) in Downtown SF but only can have at maximum 120 people and only 3 breakout rooms beyond the main space – this would be for Friday and Saturday the 18th and 19th. We would be restricted tot use from 8-5 pm.
2) in Mountainview at the Computer History Museum – a beautiful space that we would have to pay for but could hold up to 500 people and would only be for Saturday the 19th. It could go from 8 am to 8 pm+ even. We could feed folks breakfast lunch and dinner along with a barista.
Either way we will be charging money for the event about $100 – and working on raising sponsorship money. I believe events should be funded both by the people who do attend AND by sponsors. This helps create balance and by paying money to come people make a commitment to ‘be there’ for the event and the organize can plan for their attendance.
I am trying to get a read on what will work best.
I am still asking Lucy to put in OpenID for commenting on my blog and she still can’t get it to work even in dialoguing with Pam about it. So if you want to chime in you need to email me kaliya (at) mac (dot) com.
The third option people have put forward it so have it on an ‘large’ tech companies campus and I have said that doesn’t work cause the topic is neutral – so this is not an option in my mind.
A few days ago David sent me a link to his post responding to Stefan’s (very long) slam of OpenID. He did a great job articulating how many of those who have been critical of flaws in OpenID have been actively engaged with the community in finding solutions to the problems.
From Gnomedex one of the things I came away with was a deepened appreciation of the community that we have in technology generally and identity in particular. There are a lot of smart, good people working together despite our different personal world views, personal quirks technology backgrounds and visions for the future of the technology.
There are a lot of different perspectives in the social networking datasharing space. Marc Canter called the Data Sharing Summit to figure it out – face-to-face. (I raised my hand and said I would help facilitate). It is going to be Sept 7-8 in Richmond CA (Bay Area). Face-to-Face for a day can be like 6 months on a mailing list. It is invaluable and the text dialogue afterwards is improved in quality and effectiveness.
Ok back to Stefan:
Personally, I can’t be bothered much with a sign-on system for blog comments and social networks, but if it makes other people happy, great.
In fact social uses of persistent identity are actually interesting and just dismissing it as pithy isn’t really productive.
OpenID is a starter way to for websites to start using identity tools for people. Thousands of websites have adopted it – cause it is easy to do and it works. You could get up and praise OpenID for existing cause it is warming all those Relying Party sites to the idea there are identity tools and services they can offer to their user-bases. The challenge that Stefan and everyone else has with more complex visions of how things could/should work is how do you make it ‘easy’ – both for users and developers.
I think nuances that Stefan articulates are really important.
“selective disclosure, authenticated anonymity and pseudonymity (possibly with revocation capabilities), improve availability, enable privilege and entitlement management, and provide security against insider attacks originating from the Identity Provider,”
These need answers and they are not going to come from one company with one solution alone. Community engagement is needed – so I encourage all to put your solutions into the mix and lets see if we can figure this out.
It would be very worrisome to me, however, if a URL-based system (whether OpenID or a variant) would become the basis for “serious” identity and access management applications such as e-commerce, e-health, e-government, general credential systems, and so forth.
Your challenge is that people (consumers, business people, legislators) can readily comprehend identifier system that work like this. If you and others don’t want the world to work like this then it is up to you to figure out how you explain complex math in a way that doesn’t go into the detail but just explains it in a way that ‘makes sense.’ I have had the luxury of sitting down a few times and listening to you explain ‘how the math works’ and it still seems a bit ‘mind boggling’ but “I trust you” – basically it is where peoples trust lies…is it in ‘human’ trust (my openID provider isn’t going to take my password and log into places for me) or is it in ‘math trust’ (these really smart guys have these groovy algorithms that mean only “I” can access my stuff and I can share information with them without really telling them who I am). I hope the latter can work – that the systems can evolve and people will “get” them. However it is a communication challenge and an adoption challenge that is not easy.
I have encouraged Stefan to come to community events many times. . I do hope he takes up my invitation to come to the Internet Identity Workshop December 3-5. I hope you will all encourage him too.
I was at the Office 2.0 pre-conference reception this evening…another very .com experience… EVERYONE was given an 2G ipod nano. It was sort of unbelievable (I thought initially I just got one because I am a speaker). I already have one (I bought it the first week they were out a year ago). I was thinking since I lost my camera at DIDW and I am really missing it (A Cannon Elph SD600) that I would trade the nano with someone who had a digital camera (perhaps if they are upgrading to something else). Just e-mail me if you are up for it.
From an OpenID/iname perspective people really liked to hear that there was an SSO solution. Ramana Rao who is on one of the closing panels said they were musing about the what where the things that if they didn’t happen would mean that this office 2.0 stuff would not succeed…Single-Sign-On was one of the things they had already thought of.
I met Robert Mao from UUZone a Social Network site in China with 6 million users. He is going to be giving them all OpenID’s and has convinced the ‘flickr of china’ to also adopt OpenID. They will both accept and issue OpenID’s. He also tole me about about OpenID.cn (they have a fun logo). I encouraged him to let people know about the Internet Identity Workshop in December – so who knows maybe we will have some more people from Asia there.
It was fun to see Mark Finnern along with his wife Marie and their baby Nina..yes a baby at a cocktail party it was really nice to see.